6/28/22: VINTAGE UFO – 1947 OLD WINE IN NEW BOTTLES W/ CHARLETTE LEFEVRE AND PHILIP LIPSON

This week is the observance of the 75-year anniversary of “Saucer Summer” where many UFO incidences were happening. On June 21, 1947, the beginnings of the Cold War UFO era began when it was reported that six unidentified flying objects were seen in the skies over Maury Island, located in the Puget Sound area of Washington State. Many mainstream researchers have said that the Maury Island incident was all a big hoax but it was only a hoax because the witnesses involved were threatened with death if they talked and with all of the UFO business connecting J. Edgar Hoover and John F. Kennedy, there is still a lot of unfinished business to uncover. Tonight on Ground Zero, Clyde Lewis talks with paranormal historians, Charlette LeFevre and Philip Lipson about VINTAGE UFO – 1947 OLD WINE IN NEW BOTTLES.

SHOW TRANSCRIPT:

As we are continually hearing about the moves the government is making to get down to the bottom of UFOs we have to acknowledge that a hidden door to a room of the collective unconscious has swung open.

Standing in the doorway is the preponderance of the evidence that indicated that we are not alone but we don’t really know who we are sharing the universe with.

This has been the question that has motivated mankind from the moment he decided to look up.

As we keep hearing about Space Force, space signals, Tic Tacs and even strange anomalies in the sky and as we notice that the attitude is changing about what is being seen — we have to admit that after 75 years of cover up we are seeing the public’s yearning for a paradigm shift, a crucial rearrangement of cultural beliefs.

It can be said that the sky gods have come to roost — but to call them gods is premature, but the ancients probably thought they were, and many of the prophets among us knew how to communicate with them and use their knowledge to establish our civilized society.

Carl Jung viewed UFO phenomenon as a collectively manifesting apprehension of an emerging aeon. At present, the New York Times and other keepers of accepted opinion are signaling a sea of change in regard to cultural narrative and prevailing mythos.

Is it possible UFO narratives auger the arrival of a change of spirituality, a renewed view of life where both God and aliens can share in our scriptures and ancient texts?

We see TV shows like Ancient aliens that welcome these theories without flinching. Creating a whole new roadmap and mythos to know the origins of God or even creation itself.

It can be said that Jung was thinking that UFOs and aliens are a projection of our future selves. Humanoids that broke away in the future and  have returned to warn us of a future event where we all move to the edge of our extinction

After all it was written in the book God of Eden By William Bramley that most wars, plagues, and other historical moments are often preceded by UFO flaps.

It can be said that the alien world and the acceptance and our projections upon the phenomenon are what is very telling about us in this time. It is not their actual, unknown nature, it is the fact that the sightings and reverence involved mirrors a collective yearning for a transformation of the stultifying and destructive nature of political and cultural realities.

Contemplate how hard evidence of intelligent life outside of our tiny sphere of existence would shatter dogmatic thought and petrified perceptions.

That is what the people on this shiny blue dot fear — that all of their beliefs will be shattered or that they will be fooled into a great deception or false flag where the earth must come together in a New World Order in order to fight an interplanetary enemy,

From 1966 to 1968, the University of Colorado’s UFO Project, which lead to the publication of the tome heavy Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects, was funded by the US Air Force Office of Scientific Research.  Led by physicist Edward U. Condon, the report, totaling almost a thousand pages, covered 56 “cases” (UFO sightings), of which 33 were suitably explained as “normal phenomena”.

The unexplained cases were not sufficient for Condon and his co-authors to encourage further government study or scientific investigation of UFO sightings.  The words of the report are unequivocally damning: “nothing has come from the study of UFOs in the past 21 years that has added to scientific knowledge. Careful consideration of the record … leads us to conclude that further extensive study of UFOs probably cannot be justified in the expectation that science will be advanced thereby.”

Decades after, with interest rekindled, the Pentagon was duly pressed by US lawmakers into compiling a report examining UAP sightings.  Legislation that was passed  stipulated that the resulting work should contain “detailed analysis of unidentified aerial phenomena data and intelligence” gathered by the FBI, the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.  The latter was created in August 2020 on the direction of Deputy Secretary of Defense David L. Norquist.

It was done so with a view to improving “understanding of” and to “gain insight into the nature and origins of UAPs.  The mission of the task force is to detect, analyze and catalogue UAPs that could potentially pose a threat to US national security.

Emphasis is placed on the potential risks posed by “any incursions by unauthorized aircraft into our training ranges or designated airspace”.  “This includes examinations of incursions that are initially reported as UAP when the observer cannot immediately identify what he or she is observing.

Interest in UFOs waxes and wanes in American culture, but millions have questions and about one-third of Americans think we have been visited by alien spacecraft, according to Gallup.

But those questions have been met with silence or laughter from authorities, leaving a vacuum that has been filled by conspiracy theorists, spiritual opportunists  and amateur investigators.

The government has examined UFOs in the past but often in secret or narrow ways, and the current Pentagon task force is thought to be relatively limited in its mission and resources.

The history of science is filled with accidental discoveries and incidents where the hubris of religious or scientific authorities dismissed something as ridiculous that later proved true. Scientists didn’t believe meteorites really came from space until the early 1800s, for instance.

Government secrecy can lead to confusion and misunderstanding that might be cleared up with the help of a wider circle of experts and investigators.

In recent years, though, a newer generation of activists has been at center of recent high-profile disclosures thanks to a more professional, careful and credible approach. They include people with serious national security credentials like Christopher Mellon, the former deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence, and Luis Elizondo, the former Army counterintelligence special agent who led an earlier Pentagon team to investigate UFOs.

A lot of confusion might be cleared up with a review of the 75 year history and the UFO Flap that ignited the hot stories that had to be handled with Project Blue Beam among other public relations ploys that the government created throughout the 1950s and 60s.

After 75 years of taboo and ridicule, serious people can finally discuss the mysterious flying objects, and even skeptics say that’s a good thing. This also can open the door for rediscovery of old post war UFO stories that happened before the Roswell Crash in July of 1947.

This week is the observance of the 75 year anniversary of “Saucer Summer” where many UFO incidences were happening and eventually the crash at Roswell was the only verified proof the military had until they were told to not reveal the truth.

In the summer of 1947, the UFO problem was laid in confusing disorder before the American public by means of banner headlines and wire-stories in excess. In retrospect, it seems clear that the visible record of 1947 emergence of the UFO problem is primarily a journalistic record.

Although scientists, the military, and a few governmental spokesmen took minor parts in the dramatic entry of UFOs onto the modern scene, newspapermen wrote and delivered the key lines that made the journalist’s role in the drama preeminent.

The flying saucer, of course, was a word that was coined by the media as was the term UFO – so from the 1940’s on it has been the media that has had a hand in shaping the public view of what was seen in the sky.

In the first two weeks after Kenneth Arnold’s Mt. Rainier report of June 24, 1947, press reports of other American sightings of highly unconventional aerial objects numbered not in the dozens but many hundreds.

In the seven decades that have passed since 1947, there has been distressingly little progress made towards expound upon the true nature of the unidentified flying objects. The reality is that they have refused to go away and many of the original reports of UFO sightings before the Roswell incident have been cases of unfinished business.

On June 21, 1947, the beginnings of the cold war UFO era began when it was reported that six unidentified flying objects were seen in the skies over Maury Island, situated near Tacoma in Puget Sound area of Washington State. The recorded eyewitnesses to the incident were Harbor patrolman Harold A. Dahl who was piloting a boat in the bay, his two crewmen, his teenage son and a dog.

The UFO’s were doughnut-shaped and were seen hovering over the boat. They were reported to be about 2000 miles up and one of the six craft looked like it was in trouble. It began losing altitude and was being circled by the other five. Each of the objects were estimated to be about one hundred feet in diameter.

The disc that was having trouble suffered an explosion and spewed hot metal in to the air. Some of the hot metal or “slag” hit the boat, killing the Dahl’s dog, damaging the boat and injuring the teenage son. Dahl began taking pictures of the objects, which soon took off. He claimed that the craft were heading towards Canada. Dahl radioed for help but the radio was having trouble getting any message out to anyone.

He decided to head to land back to the city of Tacoma. He rushed his son to the hospital to have his burns treated.

He decided to speak to his boss about the incident. He grabbed the slag samples and his camera and spoke to Fred Lee Crisman. It turns out that Crisman was a very interesting man and for years his name would be spoken of by Conspiracy theorists for some time.

Crisman had wanted to investigate Dahl’s claims but Dahl apparently had been warned off by what could be described as a Man in Black or G-man. No one except Dahl or Crisman knew that the incident had happened and so it was rather odd that this strange man showed up and warned to avoid the incident and to forget it ever took place.

Undaunted, Crisman finally returned to Maury island only to find some broken glass and what appeared to be thin metal. He also claimed that he saw another flying machine but the case was only a small town incident and really didn’t gain any momentum, authorities had hoped that it would be forgotten.

Then comes the big news story of pilot Kenneth Arnold and his sighting of strange craft flying over Mount Rainer. This begins to kick the Flying saucer story full throttle and the United States begins to see these flying saucers everywhere.

Kenneth Arnold arranges to meet Harold Dahl in Tacoma, Washington at the request of Raymond Palmer who is a pulp fiction writer and friend of Fred Crisman. Palmer is well remembered as the man responsible for the magazines, “Amazing Stories,” and “FATE” and wants to give a 200 dollar advance on the story of the Northwest UFO’s.

Arnold goes to Tacoma to meet with Dahl but finds out that all of the Hotels there are booked. He then finds out that there is a Hotel room booked in his name at a fancy hotel in town. The room is booked by someone anonymously.

He finally meets up with Dahl. However Dahl becomes a bit paranoid because he claims that the man in Black frightened him and told him not to speak with anyone. However Arnold is motivated by the Cash Advance and wants the story so he presses Dahl for more information on the Incident.

Dahl had no evidence of the encounter, didn’t have photos or anything else, just a piece of rock that he claimed fell from the Flying donut object.

It turned out that Crisman was part of the OSS the group that existed prior to the CIA and was also involved with Operation paper clip, where German scientists were filtered in after World War II to work on secret space programs, bombs and some people believe secret saucer technology.

Crisman knew too much, however at the time he seemed to be the observer watching every part of the UFO lore fall into place.

Kenneth Arnold was debriefed by the military and did an Interview with Ted Smith on radio station KWRC in Pendleton. He decided that he would turn over some of the evidence form Maury Island to Lieutenant Brown and Captain Davidson. They agreed to fly out to Tacoma immediately to see what Arnold had. It was rumored that someone had already tipped them off that the event was a hoax; however they flew out anyway.

At the airport, Crisman, the man the intelligence officers seemed to think was lying, turned up and gave the men a box which he said was filled with the slag from the damaged UFO. Arnold thought that all that was in the box was rocks. The men stowed the box in the trunk of their car and left for the airport, catching their flight.

They were killed in route as their B-25 plane crashed somewhere in Kelso Washington. What was really in that box?

It was a week later the Roswell Crash happened and the world was awakened to the possibility of a flying disc crash and the rest is history.

On July 11th, 1947 another flying disc crash was reported from Fort Douglas Utah, the Disc crash was in Idaho and was investigated by known FBI asset William Guy Bannister. Bannister was a resident of Idaho and worked out the FBI office in Montana.

He was the man in charge of investigating all UFO cases in the West and Northwest.

Declassified FBI files from 1947 show a number of telexes initialed WGB , all pertained to UFO phenomena, they had the designation ‘Security Matter -X’ or simply ‘SM-X,’ – could it be that the FBI did have an X-files and that they were being headed up by Banister? Was he the Man In Black that warned off Dahl and did he know Crisman?

Coincidentally, both men were implicated in the JFK assassination.

On the afternoon of November 22, 1963, the day that President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, Banister and one of his investigators, Jack Martin, were drinking together at the Katzenjammer Bar, located next door to 544 Camp Street, New Orleans. On their return to Banister’s office, the two men got into a dispute. Banister believed that Martin had stolen some files and drew his .357 magnum revolver, striking Martin with it several times. During the altercation Martin yelled: “What are you going to do — kill me like you all did Kennedy?” Martin was badly injured and treated at Charity Hospital.

Over the next few days, Martin told authorities and reporters that Banister and anti-Castro activist David Ferrie had been involved in the assassination. He claimed that Ferrie knew Oswald from their days in the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol, and that Ferrie might have taught Oswald how to use a rifle with a telescopic sight. Martin also claimed that Banister had often been in the company of Ferrie, and that Ferrie drove to Texas on the day of Kennedy’s assassination, to serve as a getaway pilot for the assassins

Now in a great coincidence Fred Crisman was one of the three tramps arrested in Dallas immediately after JFK’s assassination. Many people believe that Crisman was the gunman on the Grassy Knoll.

Crisman is also named in New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison’s 1968 investigation into the Kennedy assassination, in which Garrison maintained that Crisman may have been an assassin working on behalf of aerospace concerns to kill Kennedy.

Most of his evidence comes from declassified documents that have been released now that the government is being open about UFOs and UAP said that one of the recently surfaced MJ12 documents suggests that Crisman turned samples of the debris over to Clay Shaw, one of the three people that Garrison attempted to indict in the alleged conspiracy to kill Kennedy.

Shaw was acquitted of any wrong doing but he also was a CIA operative.

In his autobiographical memoir, Murder of a City, written under the pseudonym Jon Gold, Crisman details his relationship with Marshall Riconoscuito, the father of Michael Riconoscuito, the infamous informer to conspiracy researcher Danny Casolaro.

But before Danny Casolaro, before Dealy Plaza, before Roswell,  there was, Maury Island.

Many mainstream researchers have said that the Maury Island incident was all a big hoax.. but it was only a hoax because the witnesses involved were threatened with death if they talked and with all of The UFO business connecting J Edgar Hoover and Kennedy there is still a lot of unfinished business to uncover.

When Kennedy took office, the world was changing and the honeymoon with the flying saucers appeared to be over. Various people were claiming that they were being visited by aliens and some even said they were being abducted and taken aboard ships in order to be experimented upon.

Believe it or not, an uncovered letter written by John F Kennedy to the head of the CIA shows that the president demanded to be shown highly confidential documents about UFOs and how they affect national security, 10 days before his assassination.

“As I had discussed with you previously, I have initiated REDACTED and have instructed James Webb to develop a program with the Soviet Union in joint space and lunar exploration. It would be very helpful if you would have the high threat cases reviewed with the purpose of identification of bona fide as opposed to classified CIA and USAF sources. It is important that we make a clear distinction between the knowns and unknowns in the event the Soviets try to mistake our extended cooperation as a cover for intelligence gathering of their defense and space programs.

When this data has been sorted out, I would like you to arrange a program of data sharing with NASA where Unknowns are a factor. This will help NASA mission directors in their defensive responsibilities.

I would like an interim report on the data review no later than February 1, 1964.” -John F. Kennedy

When most researchers say that aliens pose no threat to the country or to the world, I often go back to this memo from President Kennedy investigating high threat cases of unknowns – and the possibility of top secret aircraft we were developing at the time.

This would mean that during the Kennedy administration at least some of these unknown aircraft were hostile or perceived hostile.

President Kennedy was shot in Dallas, 10 days later.

One of the men under investigation for the assassination was Fred Crisman – the man involved with the Maury Island incident, the first major event that kicked off the Summer of the Saucers.

 

SHOW GUESTS: CHARLETTE LEFEVRE AND PHILIP LIPSON

Charlette LeFevre is the current Director of the Northwest Museum of Legends and Lore along with her partner Philip Lipson. Charlette’s background also includes working as a military contractor at Wright-Patterson AFB. investigating the paranormal, dabbling in Kirlian Photography, and researching geological mysteries. Her photography has been used by the Discovery Channel and she has appeared on numerous radio and local TV shows. Currently, Charlette creates wax heads of historical persons and along with her partner, Philip Lipson is researching the Maury Island UFO Mystery and the associated AF B-25 Bomber Crash, the first historical U.S. Air Force crash in Kelso Washington.

Philip Lipson is a “Cosmic” Librarian” with a Master’s degree in Library Science from Wayne State University in Detroit and has had experience in both public and academic libraries. The bureaucracy of government-regulated libraries could not contain him and he has devoted the last 30 years in establishing himself as an independent researcher and investigator of subjects of paranormal interest.

Written by Ron Patton