Transcript for 6/25/24: CHARON – PAYING THE TOLL W/ RONNY LEBLANC AND SARAH LEMOS

We often think of the paranormal as something born from the natural world. Malevolent spirits, mysterious beasts, aliens, and cosmic horrors all terrify us because they're part of a natural order that humans can scarcely understand, control, or even escape from. 

As many of you already know I never feel comfortable conflating my aliens with demons or my ghosts with aliens but there seems to be a fast attempt at congruency -- mingling the substance as a matter of faith and not science. But science also must confront certain issues as we move into the use of Artificial intelligence. 

With Artificial Intelligence and particle physics breakthroughs, we may have answers about aliens' demons and ghosts. It may be a remarkable discovery or something very mundane but so far what is happening is haunting. The entities are real, but they are behaving in mysterious ways.

When I was at Contact in the Desert a few weeks ago, I was at my seminar discussing the quantum ghosts and the connections to A.I.

I commented how Jack Dorsey the founder of Twitter commented that he believes that we are not in control of our lives and that we have allowed algorithms to make our decisions for us.

How they are subtly guiding us now-- that is if we are slaves to the black mirror of our cell phones. However, I certainly feel that something is going on that is deeper than just implying that these invisible electronic demons are controlling us.

Many people want to know the truth about aliens, demons, ghosts, and spirits on the threshold --and eventually, algorithms will be the next spirit guide -- although more of an electronic force or a psychomotor response.

It is almost like automatic writing --where a spirit guides the hand -- or a Ouija board where obvious egregores can jump from their reality to yours-- it is becoming more complicated.

We need to ask ourselves who will be the first to be more open about these spirits that dwell on the threshold.

Are they merely supernatural echoes, or are they demonic tricksters, or even alien beings that can shapeshift at will,

Perhaps the aliens are all we need to create the illusion and they are all waiting for us to make the crossing into the afterlife. 

The Catholic church recently had a meeting about this. Science is on the cusp of giving the word about what is out there- and the military sees it as a threat to national security.

But these entities come from stories as old as time, and yet we still wonder if they are a remnant of old superstitions that are dug up to teach a lesson about the idea that we are transcendent beings that still have to make choices after this life is over -- or when this planet fades into extinction. 

Many of us familiar with Phillip K. Dick , Robert Anton Wilson and David Icke are fully aware of the theory that we live on a Prison planet , where humans are trapped in a matrix that was constructed by an extraterrestrial creator or architect.

Some people classify aliens and demons within the same category. Others consider them separate entities. Still, other investigators do not consider them demons at all; in fact, now it is becoming fashionable to consider them as superstitious or religious artifacts from past cultures.

Now that the paradigm is shifting and new ideas are being proposed every day by Science it may be hard to keep up with how interest is growing in how we define pre-existence, existence, and post-dimensional existence.

I guess you could say that these terminologies are scientific ways of trying to explain how things are transcendent. They are now out to find out the truth about how we existed in some form elsewhere in another dimension, moved on to the present reality we observe now –and the nebulous areas of existence in another dimension or universe after we leave this reality and journey into the overlapping matrix.

The religious call it heaven and hell, and death is the final word as we do not know or really cannot know the mysteries of an afterlife as our spirit, our consciousness has shaken its mortal coil and has moved on like unseen tachyon particles elsewhere known only to God. 

It might seem a bit strange but everything is inside other things, one thing is inside everything. Nothing is certain but everything is possible. Everything we see, including ourselves, is made up of energy waves and they are connected to each other. They’re independent of time and space.

Consciousness exists outside of the constraints of time and space. It can be anywhere: in the human body and outside of it. In other words, it is non-local in the same sense that quantum objects are non-local.

Einstein summarizes this situation by saying: When mathematics is certain, it does not reflect reality, when it reflects reality, it is not certain.

When science begins to sound like organized philosophy I become suspicious.

They are now speaking of things like Panpsychism -- wondering if everything has consciousness. There are others that are now proposing a quantum afterlife -- and powerful entities unexplained making journeys through time dimensions -- every once in a while paths cross --and an overlap occurs and this may be a explanation for ghosts.

In the Super Proton Synchrotron at CERN, physicists have finally measured and quantified an invisible structure that can divert the course of the particles therein, and create problems for particle research.

It's described as taking place in phase space, which can represent one or more states of a moving system. Since four states are required to represent the structure, the researchers view it as four-dimensional.

This structure is the result of a phenomenon known as resonance, and being able to quantify and measure it takes us a step closer to solving a problem universal to magnetic particle accelerators.

It is literally a 4D Ghost discovered in a sophisticated machine.

If you're used to thinking about something a specific way, it might take an effort to think outside the box.

I do not know much about what they have discovered on several planes of existence -- but I do know that if they keep playing in the quantum field they may just push God through the wormhole. 

We have discussed before on my show that it is intriguing to think that our souls are quantum packets of information that are infinite and that when it attaches to our biological host – it animates it. When the body or the host dies the packet of quantum data still exists like a TV or radio signal – if we have the right equipment or even another biological avatar or component – that quantum packet of data can be resurrected in a new body—in a NEW FORM.

This would also explain ghost activity. If we remove all of the paranormal and supernatural aspects of ghostly encounters, we can surmise that the ghosts we see are merely packets of quantum data.

Testimonials from prominent physics researchers from institutions such as Cambridge University, Princeton University, and the Max Planck Institute for Physics in Munich claim that quantum mechanics predicts some version of “life after death.” They assert that a person may possess a body-soul duality that is an extension of the wave-particle duality of subatomic particles.

Wave-particle duality, a fundamental concept of quantum mechanics, proposes that elementary particles, such as photons and electrons, possess the properties of both particles and waves. These physicists claim that they can possibly extend this theory to the soul-body dichotomy. If there is a quantum code for all things, living and dead, then there is an existence after death.

Quantum mechanics does not rule out the possibility of an “afterlife” universe or “afterlife” dimension which includes a multiverse, a multidimensional universe, or the survival of brain function after death which is quantum immortality.

So, there is an abundance of places or other universes where our soul could migrate after death.

Now, another question I have is once we are released from our bodies and our consciousness lingers in a trans-dimensional limbo – are there guides or controllers that help us make the transition from one dimension to the other?

The reason why I ask is because of what we have read in the various mythologies about gatekeepers and Ferrymen that take us to the afterlife.

The River Styx is a principal river in the Greek underworld (also called Hades). The river forms a border between the underworld and the world of the living. The word means hate in Greek and is named after the goddess, Styx. 

The River Styx is not the only river in Hades. The other major rivers include the Acheron River of pain, the Lethe River of forgetfulness, the Phlegethon or river of fire, and the Cocytus River of wailing. 

Charon, the ferryman, ferries the souls of the dead across the river into the underworld, but he requires payment for his duties. He would locate his coin traditionally in the mouth of the dead. Without payment, the dead would not get into the underworld and would be left to drift on the shore for 100 years.

Charon can be called by paranormal researchers a Psychopomp.

Many of us are familiar with the idea of spirit guides helping the dead pass into the afterlife.

From the golden age of Athens to Islam, dozens of angels, deities, and other entities have served as psychopomps, charged with escorting our friends and loved ones into the afterlife.

Some religions posit that their psychopomps come to take individuals to the hereafter. A notable example is Azrael, the angel of death existing in the cosmology of the three major Abrahamic faiths.

Most people identify with classic psychopomp imagery and concepts to speak about death. The image of the Grim Reaper dates back to 14th century Europe, coming to fruition during the dreaded Black Plague epidemics. Its black robes may have been analogous to the funerary robes worn by clerics of the period, and the scythe symbolizes the Reaper’s function of “harvesting” souls. The scythe is also the symbol of judgment –as Father Time or Chronos sacrifices his children every year. 

For the longest time, we have been hearing the same stories from people who have had near-death experiences, telling us about what happens after one dies. Some see a tunnel, some see a brilliant light, and sometimes one finds oneself in a park-like environment. 

As most people have no idea what to expect after death, they are often confused, and thus vulnerable. 

However, when this happens, the experience will indicate that sometimes dead relatives show up and comfort the person. Sometimes it is a religious figure, or spiritual guide. Some people have suggested that these entities are not what they seem to be and are already engaged in manipulating the recently deceased in the desired direction.

One of the often overlooked stories is that sometimes even extra-terrestrial beings are described as guides or ferrymen for those who need guidance to the outer realms of the afterlife.

There have been many people who have said that out-of-body experiences and even near-death experiences seem to have the same characteristics as alien abductions.

Dr. John Mack a well-known alien abduction researcher said of the comparison:

” The abduction experiences begin with a shift in consciousness on the part of the abductee, which may be signaled by a hum or other odd sound, by the appearance of a light for which no usual source can be found, by the sense of a presence or even the sight of one or more alien beings ... or by a strong vibratory sensation in the body ... This change in consciousness may be subtle, but abductees are always sure that they are not dreaming or imagining.

Rather they experience that they have moved into another reality, but one that is, nevertheless, altogether real. This is a waking reality, but a different one. As one abductee described this shift to me, is as if the alien beings break through a kind of screen, revealing a new reality to the experiencer.”

Over time there have been many descriptions of what it is like to leave the body. Probably the most ubiquitous symptom is that of experiencing a kind of sound vibration as one's fully awake consciousness separates from its physical shell.

This loud hum or vibratory sound sensation is identical to the noise heard by people undergoing a near-death experience. 

In the Tibetan Book of the Dead, we read:

“From the midst of that radiance, the natural sound of Reality, reverberating like a thousand thunders simultaneously sounding, will come. That is the natural sound of thine own real self. Be not daunted thereby, nor terrified, nor awed.”

The early symptoms of a conscious out-of-body experience usually (but not always) follow a recognizable pattern: that of sound and vibration accompanying the separation of awareness from the physical body. Then there comes a bright light and then in some instances, beings that appear to be family members or religious figures appear.

According to John Mack; 

"Quite a few abductees have spoken to me of their sense that at least some of their experiences are not occurring within the physical space/time dimensions of the universe as we comprehend it. They speak of aliens breaking through from other dimensions, through a "slit" or "crack" in some sort of barrier, entering our world from "beyond the veil." Abductees, some of whom have little education to prepare them to explain such abstractions or odd dislocations, will speak of the collapse of space/time that occurs during their experiences. They experience the aliens, indeed their abductions themselves, as happening in another reality, although one that is as powerfully actual to them as -- or more so than -- the familiar physical world."

So are we to believe that abduction experiences are similar to near-death or afterlife experiences?

The extraterrestrial theories and mythos have already had a hand in uniting culture, and it is evident that mankind has an interest if not in the mythological sense about life that exists in other realms of the universe.

It doesn’t matter if you believe or don’t believe in aliens or UFOs the cultural awakening to the possibility is as vibrant and valid as a belief or non-belief in God. Mythologies are sacred in some circles and in others are dismissed, and yet the archetypes in them never leave us. They continue in other forms, and with even more manifestation that leaves skeptics curious and hardens the resolve of the true believers.

Myths based on truths are what shape the worldview. Myths also shape world spiritual views and within religious and the political spectrum those views are powerful determinants in what we as a people feel is good or evil.

Jacques Vallée has pointed out, “If UFOs are acting at the mythic and spiritual level it will be almost impossible to detect it by conventional methods.”

As an alternative to the extraterrestrial visitation hypothesis, Vallée has suggested a multidimensional visitation hypothesis. This hypothesis represents an extension of the Extraterrestrial hypothesis where the alleged extraterrestrials could be potentially from anywhere. The entities could be multidimensional beyond space-time and thus could coexist with humans, yet remain undetected.

Abduction experiences as with experiences with religious ascension seem to also be congruent.

For example, in 2 Kings chapter 2 verse 11, we read:

“As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.”

Put simply a fiery vehicle arrives and takes Elijah up into a vortex. 

However, the translations include both the ideas that this is what happened at the time of Elijah’s death or that he was just carried into the heaven by a vehicle that produce d a whirlwind or a column that lifted him away.

We have all discussed that Ezekiel and ancient people described UFOs as “Whirling Wheels,” “Chariots of Fire,” “ Stars,” and vehicles with thrones in them. Chariots of fire and the Merkaba, all have the same characteristics of UFOs today and all are connected to the higher realms as transports to other worlds or dimensions. 

Carl Jung, who has been spoken of many times on Ground Zero, has said many times in the past that the extraterrestrial UFO mythos will be and is a scientific phenomenon that triggers a religious response and that what may be coming to our future is the advent of what we have called the second incarnation.

Notice how he was careful not to call it the second coming.

The truth is that before we called the return of Jesus the second coming, it was called the second incarnation –meaning that the consciousness of Christ would find itself in the flesh again and that would spread out throughout the known universe – to all of creation.

The mythos and the reality is molding man into thinking that there must be an externalized savior waiting for us in the cosmos. 

Every denomination has its externalized savior, however, if there is a moment of fulfillment and revelation, there would have to be a narrowing down of options and all interpretations would cease and there would be only one entity or many that would officiate over the directing of the quantum consciousness and the guiding of souls into the next multidimensional life.

Again these can be seen as cosmic psychopomps that are responsible for rounding up every particle of the quantum information -- your ghost so to speak and bring it back to its original creator.

So I also would contend that if there are Psychopomps that guide us off the earth at death -- there may also be Psychopomps that lead us to our birth --and for some, the Psychomps return in the form of ghosts or even aliens to look in on people to see how they are doing --some are selected for other reasons and this is where we hear of the abduction phenomenon.

It's just a theory and I actually have allowed my peas to touch my carrots in explaining that perhaps it is one phenomenon of psychopomps with many images.

The ferryman-- Charon waiting for us to pay our toll when the moment arrives for us to leave.